Sony Confirms No Hardware Virtualization on Vaio Computers Past, Present or Future

Sony has now released BIOS upgrades to most of their Hardware Virtualization (VX) capable Vaio computers. Visit Sony’s eSupport centre (link) and enter your model number to see if yours has an update. This move, which goes against everything Sony has said, proves that if enough people voice their discontent with bad corporate behaviour, corporations actually do the right thing.

Sony confirms they will continue disabling Hardware Virtualization (also known as VT) in the BIOS of all their Vaio computers even after the release of Windows 7 making the new Windows XP Mode unavailable to all Vaio owners.

A couple of months ago I discovered that in spite of the hardware of my Sony Vaio laptop fully supporting Hardware Virtualization, Sony has decided to disable this feature in the BIOS making it unavailable. There has been much chatter and theorizing about this on the net but no clear conclusions, statements or solutions have been provided. So today I contacted Sony directly to find out exactly what was going on. What I found was both surprising and infuriating.

A quick summary of the back story: I bought a Sony Vaio VGN-SR140D laptop last fall and have been very happy with it. That was until I tried to enable Hardware Virtualization so I could run a virtual machine on it for beta testing purposes. It turned out that even though the processor fully supports this feature, Sony has disabled it in the BIOS making it impossible to run any type of virtualization on the computer. The problem is there is no mention of this in any documentation available about the computer or its product siblings. For this reason it is fair to say the computer does not perform to specifications.

To get to the bottom of this I contacted Sony customer support. After a lot of back and forth, explaining and some feeble attempts at tricking me into giving up claiming that “hardware virtualization has been disabled because there is a conflict with this type of functionality with other hardware in the computer” I was passed on to a high level tech located somewhere on the US west coast, and it is from him I got all the nasty details.

Hardware Virtualization will not be available on Sony Vaios. Period!

Right off the bat the tech told me flat out that Hardware Virtualization not only is not available on older or current Vaio models, both laptops and desktops, but that there will be no support for Hardware Virtualization in future models either! When I mentioned that this would become a hot topic once Windows 7 with its much talked about Virtual XP feature is released in November of this year he responded “Even when we start shipping Vaios with Windows 7, hardware virtualization will be disabled.” And he continues: “Sony has no plans to make this function available in any of our computers.”

Hardware Virtualization is disabled to cut cost!

This of course begged the obvious question of why: “It’s part of our licensing deal with Intel,” he explained: “To retain a competitive edge they sell the boards to Sony with a guarantee from us that we will disable the feature on all our computers. That way we get the boards at a discount and they (Intel) can sell them at full price to other computer manufacturers who want the feature enabled.” At this point I mentioned that I had just been in touch with Dell who confirmed that all their new XPS laptops have Hardware Virtualization enabled and that these computers on average retail for $400 less than the comparable Sony ones. “VT (Hardware Virtualization) is a fairly obscure function that not many people use. Corporate feels that it’s not worth it. That is in spite of us techs recommending they enable it” was his somewhat surprising response.

It’s not on the box, so you can’t return it

As I promised in my first post about this situation I am hell bent on returning my laptop for a full refund claiming either defect or that it does not perform to spec. I asked the tech about this and he at once told me they will not refund the computer under any circumstances: “It doesn’t say on the box that the computer supports Virtualization so they (corporate) feel that you have no case. If it’s not on the box you won’t get your money back is where they stand.” I pointed out that if you look up the specs of the processor on Intel’s website or go to a store and buy it on its own the spec sheet clearly states that it has Intel® Virtualization Technology. To that he had no answer. I then pointed out that the box doesn’t say anything about stereo sound or colour screen either but that if they shipped computers that only had mono sound and black and white screens people would be furious. His response was the same as before: “Virtualization is something few people use and corporate doesn’t think this is a real issue. And they are willing to take the hit of bad publicity if people start to complain. They are willing to lose customers over this!” In other words they don’t think enough people will voice their frustration or make life difficult for them so they are willingly screwing their customers to turn a profit. Classy.

Class action lawsuit anyone?

It seems abundantly clear that Sony has deliberately disabled Hardware Virtualization on their Vaio computers to save money. It is equally clear that they have made no effort to inform their customers of this. As a result many customers, myself included, have purchased computers with the perception that they would perform to the specifications provided by the OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers – in this case Intel) only to find they do not. Any rational person would agree that under these circumstances Sony should have provided some form of written information or warning stating that in spite of hardware support, Hardware Virtualization has been disabled in the same way that they would have warned that in spite of the screen being able to display colours, the screens on certain computers would only display black and white. Now I’m no lawyer but I think the customers have a valid case for a class action lawsuit here. The argument that Sony is in the clear just because the box doesn’t state that the computer does Hardware Virtualization is logically defeated by the fact that the processor itself has this functionality as one of its main features and selling points.

So, does anyone know a good class action lawyer willing to take on this case and go up against a major multinational corporation? And does anyone want to join forces to show Sony that when you treat your customers like crap they fight back? In the meantime I’m taking my computer back to the store I bought it from and make the guys there sweat for selling me a computer that doesn’t work!

Morten Rand-Hendriksen is a web designer, developer and educator specializing in WordPress and Expression Web. He has published three books and two video series on web design with more coming, he runs a boutique style digital media company called Pink & Yellow Media and he spends a lot of his time thinking about and sharing his knowledge of the internet, information philosophy and web design and development.
  • Tom

    I have a Sony Vaio VGN-S680 with virtualization disabled. I would gladly join the lawsuit or help put pressure on Sony. I really need this feature.

  • Sergey

    I also luck this feature. (vaio z11)
    Moreover update windows virtual pc would not work at all on windows 7 vithout VT.
    that’s crap!

  • http://none Jérôme

    Hi there,

    I’m in!

  • Matt

    Im with you all the way! Stick to the man. Damn fascists…

  • John

    I have sony VGN-tz13, count me.

  • george

    sz390p…. count me in on the suit…

  • dr.schlau

    Z31WN… i’ve the same problems. i will never buy a sony notebook !!!

  • Pranz

    I have a Sony VGN-CS17R and im outraged…this is crap…im with you bro.

  • Engin

    I though the same thing this morning. I’ve a Z11XN and it says Intel P8600 on the box and P8600 has the VT functionality. So I want the VT which I paid for.

    I’m searching the web to fix this for months and I couldn’t find anything for H2O BIOS. Also I don’t know what can I do because the distributor and the technical service in my country are so unconcerned and ignorant. In my opinion, they are not applicable to sell even a shaving machine.

    So I’m in as you guess and I also though to build a web site against this Sony policy but know few people who needs this feature. I think we can collect much more people in global.

  • Salman

    I bought a VGN-FW290 a few months back. I was pretty happy with it until the VT crap came up. Anyone found any bios updates? I have read other blogs and noticed that some Lenovo users got bios upgrades that enabled VT on their machines. What’s Sony waiting for? Class Action?

  • Kelvin

    frustrated !!! have a vgn-fz470e

    Last sony product i every buy.

  • Jeff

    I really doubt you will get anywhere with a lawsuit, unless Sony had explicitly stated somewhere that they supported VT, and then did not provide it.

    This blows though. I really had my sights set on an FW series. Now I will have to go with a different vendor. :(

    Boo Sony.

  • Nexus_

    VGN-FW298Y. This is a total bs, Sony must get their **s burned for that, what use is Win7 now without the neat feature to be able to run Virtual XP machine…
    Switching soon to apple macbooks anyway, the build quality is far better than this over expensive Sony peace of plastic!

  • NOT a Sony customer

    This is not the first time Sony has demonstrated it doesn’t care for its customers. Only for its (theirs) money.

    You must remember how Sony tried to secretly replace some of the core Windows libraries of its customers in order to enforce control over media it sold them. To make more money and control more efficiently its customers.

    I think that it is time that customers remind clearly to Sony that Sony depends on its customers and not its customers on Sony.

    Obviously Sony is not a company which serves well the customers and for that reason they should leave Sony and turn to other companies.

    By the way, I was about to buy a VAIO, but now when I learned how again Sony despises its customers and their wishes I think to forget about Sony. I was about to also buy a Sony TV set, but it seems that it wont be Sony.

    The customers don’t need such a low quality service company and I don’t think that they have plans to accept Sony’s not having any plans “..to make this function available in any of our computers..”.

    Don’t buy Sony. Period.

  • Disappointed

    I was quite surprised to know all that. I didn’t expect that from Sony…

    more: http://inave.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/sony-vaio-and-hardware-virtualization/

  • http://www.jhangra.com/ IntelVT

    Hi,

    I managed to enable it on mine using Jhangra’s Intel VT guide. It seems the hack was made by a guy called Igor;

    http://www.jhangra.com/blog/2009/06/enabling-intel-vt-on-sony-vaio-notebook-with-ami-aptio-efi-bios/

  • Michael

    Tough sh!t.

    Its advertised on vaio-link.com that the models dont come with VT enabled. If you bought it for its specs, then you should have considered this. Its partially your own fault for buying a machine without it when its blatantly advertised.

    Also, your article is incorrect.
    There IS ONE Vaio that has VT, and that is the VGN-BZ series.

    Regards,
    Mick.

  • Disappointed

    Michael.

    tough shit? I paid $1500 for a laptop 3 months ago and I expect it to work. The models all technically come with VT, Sony just disabled it. As a paying costumer, I should be able to enable it to use it. Just because the average Joe wont use VT, what gives them the right to deny ALL costumers the right to use it if the hardware supports it?

  • Michael

    Yes, Sony disabled it. Big deal.

    My problem is this – the models are advertised as having no VT. You cant expect to buy this machine without VT, and then complain to Sony about it, just because you bought the wrong machine. VT may be supported by the processor, but motherboards have a factor in it too – these boards are OEM, made with a specific BIOS that does not allow the option for VT.

    If you are griping about this because you cant run XP mode on windows 7 ; remember your machines were not designed to run 7 specifically, they were preinstalled with Windows Vista. Sony are under no obligation to support anything other than the preinstalled OS, regardless of how similar Vista and 7 are.

    If you people would stop complaining, and were actually worried about it, then you would realise there is ways and means around the BIOS limitations. Learn how to hack a Pheonix BIOS, or be lazy and google it. I’m sure there are hacked BIOS’s than can enable VT. There has been for a lot of laptops I have.

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael, you are wrong.

    It may be true that Sony Europe now lists no VT on their site (though I checked when I wrote the article and they didn’t back then) but neither Sony USA nor Sony Canada has ever listed this limitation either on the website, in packaging or even informed about it when you contacted them. I had to go through three levels of customer service before I got a clear response from them because not even their CSRs know for sure.

    This isn’t simply a matter of us being lazy but a matter of principle when it comes to customer service and treatment in North America in general. Sony and other companies always try to get away with misinforming their customers and it has to stop. this is but one example.

    I have no clue why you feel the need to try to prove us wrong. If you search the web you’ll see there are hundreds of threads like this with people in the same situation and none of them have found a single reference to the VT crippling in any documentation. The fact that Sony Europe has changed their web content has more to do with stricter consumer rights legislation in Europe than an actual will to inform consumers by Sony and it doesn’t change the fact that no such information is available for North American customers.

    And before you say North American customers just needing to check the Sony Europe site keep in mind that the models sold in Europe are different from those sold in North America. In fact the models sold in Canada differ greatly from those sold in the US. So even if one thing is listed in Europe it doesn’t mean it is true for computers sold elsewhere.

  • Michael

    Sony Europe have been listing no VT on thier website since the reintroduction of Vaio-Link, well over 2 years ago.

    As for Sony USA – I cannot say. I am an Irish consumer and i do not have any use for the US website.

    I would not suggest anyone from the US to check the EU website – the regions are governed by different departments of Sony, as well as all aspects of the Vaios being different – serial numbers, model numbers, Hardware, Software etc.

    On my Seldom trips to the US website to research NEVs, I am almost 100% positive that I had seen an article there regarding VT – the last time I visited this website may have been over a year ago. What i must say though, unlike the EU website, the US one is totally haggard and miskempt, so I may have to agree with you there.

    What I must also say though, is that I find it strange that consumers do not entirely ensure that a product they purchase is meeting thier requirements – especially if this purchase is costing you $1500.

    I’m not trying to make myself a benchmark, and I agree that information should be slightly more readily availible, but I research every aspect of a product – more specifically, IT products – before I purchase it. Just for these sorts of reasons. I have found myself caught before by similar issues, but I must admit I, like you, have made hasty purchases before totalling understanding the potential purchase.

    If you feel so so strongly about it, whether either of us are correct or not, then why not stop b!tching about it and actually do something. Go speak to your local court and contact your solicitor – sue sony – im sure they wont mind, but talk is cheap on the interwebz. Take action if you feel right about it.

  • http:://www.gorancic.com Beno

    Thanks for the post. I found this page through another site. I tried getting an answer once before from Sony but all I got was “it’s not supported”.

    I myself have a Sony Vaio Z17 and like you was unaware that VT was disabled when I purchased the notebook.

    Recently and luckily thanks to this site (http://feature-enable.blogspot.com/2009/07/enable-vt-on-insydeh2o-based-sony-vaio.html) I was able to enable VT.

    I for one won’t be buying a Sony notebook in the future if they don’t get their act together.

    I’d love to see Sony taken to court over this and see the customers win.

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael: The problem is that many others and I myself did do all the necessary research – in fact because I could find no information on VT support at all I even contacted Sony directly and got a vague response saying if the processor supports the technology it is surely also supported by the computer. That was back in October. The problem didn’t surface for me until around April because quite frankly I didn’t have the time until then to play around with VT. And when I discovered the problem and contacted Sony again, they had changed their tone and were pushing questions about it to the side and refusing to answer.

    The intention of this article is threefold: To make sure people understand that these computers don’t support VT, to put pressure on Sony to do something about it and to gauge support for possible legal action against the company. I don’t know what more you want exactly.

  • Michael

    But if you had done research before purchasing the Vaio, surely you would have googled the simple term “Vaio VT” which lists thousands of results regarding the missing functionality and how to crack it?

    As stated earlier on this thread – When advertised, there is no statement that the computer does or does not support VT. Now, I have owned motherboards in the past that do not allow this functionality. It is perfectly normal (whether acceptable or not) for motherboard manufacturers to disable this feature. By not advertising the fact that VT is disabled, you would not be able to hold up in a court of law, unfortunatly. The unit is not misadvertised, as it does not state VT – nor is it “not fit for purpose” as it was not advertised that the unit came with VT.

    But I agree with you on one thing – Sony do need to advertise this more. As I stated earlier, VT is specifically listed as being disabled on Sony Europes website. USA, being governed by a totally different department, unfortunatly do not state anything about it, which I think is pretty poor. It should be stated that it does not have VT.

    Have you spoken to a solicitor about this issue as I suggested? If you really are serious about legal action, then go for it. Try out http://www.petitiononline.com/ and get people to sign it, then appeal to Sony.

    I dont want anything from you – I’m just having a discussion/debate with you. I dont necesarily think you are in the right, but if you feel you are, and feel strongly about this issue, follow my advice above.

  • Peter

    I don’t understand why you all keep blaming Sony about this? I think you should blame Intel instead. They have their CPUs listed with available features and doesn’t mention anywhere that different HW vendors might disable some of these features.
    I would even blame Intel for allowing Sony to sell these crippled Intel CPUs.
    If (which I doubt) Intel has required Sony to disable certain features to get a discount it is even worse. Then Intel has encouraged Sony to do this.
    Say Sony was considering using one of the CPUs in a next-gen PSP. Then it would make sence for Intel to say they might get a discount if the promised not to use certain features of the CPU. This could actually be an Ok situation, since the PSP (and PS3 and the like) are non-standard computers. A PC on the otherhand, is expected to be open for change of hardware and software.

  • Darren Stewart

    Sony ship nice products, at least at the brochure side of things. They clearly tend to care about design, and care about at least a level of quality. I’ve been a sony buyer in the past and I am an occasional buyer now.

    But let us be clear. Sony is a company that is morally wrong. Its broken at the management level. It not only ships bad products, products loaded with DRM, features turned off, or features that are benficial for Sony, but opposite for their customers.

    They don’t give a crap about security, they ship windows, not security products, and have always left that to the user and vendor to face the music on. That’s when they as a corporate entity are not attempting to load up people’s computers with a root kit that is a far larger threat, and abuse of their ‘customers’. It took them years to finally concede and allow MP3 on their music players, usually in complete fly in the face attitude towards what the customer wants.

    In between the usual sony behaviour of fitting unwanted DRM, or cutting off features that the end buyer has paid for, or in NOT supplying new updated drivers or BIOS (a very sony trait, people paying a premium for equipment with Sony written on it are to get and fully deserve cronic abuse and fundamental lack of care and support)

    If anyone bothers to ever explore Sony, properly, the conclusion is always quite grim, but let us be clear. These are not ‘mistakes’. They are quite literal corporate decisions taken to your net negative loss.

    Please don’t buy sony, and please don’t succur this continual Sony nonsense. They are a company that needs a very serious and complete and total change of culture, and an absolute end of this idiocy.

    If you persist in buying this nonsense, and their equipment, you really have only yourself to blame.

  • nutellapr

    The onus is up to Sony to inform customers of a choice they made, not on the consumer to do 3rd party research to determine what it is exactly they are being. I’d be onboard for a class action lawsuit. Sony is a joke and clearly doesn’t have a customer centric culture and will continue to bleed red if they don’t shape up.

  • mr3x

    No VT, no more Sony products, no more Sony clients!
    I feel ripped off buying my Vaio product.
    Intel VT is fully supported by hardware but there is no official way to enable it. Low end laptops, with very low price give us more choices in BIOS than Sony.
    I’m really disappointed!!!

  • Gringo

    Sony has a great history of insulting its’ customers with root kits etc. Some Vaios have BIOS limited hard disk sizes, so that you can’t fit a bigger hard disk. I don’t know if they still do that, but I had to retire my own Vaio because of it years ago. I’ve never bought a single Sonny product since.

  • Rihahn

    Meh. I fixed this the easy way: sold my VGN-AW150Y to a sales guy at work and upgraded to a Dell M17X for a couple hundred more than I got out of the Vaio.

    Problem solved.

  • Hank

    I got my VGN FE890 second hand with the express purpose of using with VMware Workstation (I am in software development and I frequently code and test on many platforms). After I “discovered” the missing VT I promptly opened a browser and found a thread on the VMware support site. A few “guesses” on the right register for my BIOS later and I was happily running 64bit VMs. Of course I shared my findings as did others and before you know it you can find guides on the Internet teaching you how to do the same. Do I like the fact that I had to “hack” my NVRAM to get the support I needed? No, but I don’t care that much either because everything about Sony is like this missing feature. Hope you don’t have to watch any DVDs on your VAIO anytime soon, because unless you get stick with one region you are hosed… That’s right, Sony uses Matsushita drives which are region locked and all the AnyDVD in the World won’t help you there. Moral of the story, Sony sucks, want to get back at them? Don’t buy Sony. Otherwise, hack that BIOS, enjoy the VT and several other “cool” features Sony chose to hide from you and consider yourself one of the elite who pulled one over on the “Man”.

  • Michael

    I’m still waiting on one of you to post an update about this “Class action lawsuit” that a lot of you seem to be talking about. Get off your keyboards and actually do something, instead of just whinging about it.

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    FYI: A class-action lawyer has been contacted. Stay tuned for updates.

  • http://profile.to/KEYofR Brian K. White

    I’m interested in participating in the class action.

    All the googling in the world for hacks doesn’t help me with my Vaio TZ or my Vaio P. They both have VT-capable cpu’s and they are both locked off by the bios. And the hacks for the Z series do not work on either the TZ or the P. For instance, even though the P has an InsydeH2O EFI bios, it does not load an efi application from /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI as supposedly all implimentations of that bios do.
    Which leaves disassembling, editing, and flashing a full bios. My notebooks may not be able to run full virtualization, but at least they run. Attempting to futz at that level with no authoritative instructions or inside data and bricking a $900, $1500, or $3000 laptop is in no way a reasonable or responsible or ethical suggestion to make to people.

    Buy some other brand?
    OK show me the other brand of EITHER the TZ or the P.
    The only thing that competes with the TZ is just later models of Sony such as the TT. No Dell or anything else even comes close.
    For the P, there is now a very questionable looking thing that looks like a P but with crappy specs, made by some questionable looking Chinese company. Are you seriously suggesting that a smart consumer in the usa should send money to China never to be seen again? No thanks!

    Saying “most users don’t use that feature” is inherently broken. Most users use whatever feature their ever-changing software requires.
    As Windows 7 becomes the new most popular OS, so will suddenly many users “use this obscure feature”. At one time using a computer at all was an obscure feature that most people didn’t use.

    I’m all for requiring people to do their homework and be responsible for their own actions and choices. But I don’t see why that should extend to not holding a vendor or other large organization to THEIR actions. I’ve owned both my notebooks too long to make returning them practical even if there were suitable alternatives from other vendors.

  • http://profile.to/KEYofR Brian K. White

    Oh, and here’s another interesting little item for the “buyer beware / it’s your own fault” crowd:

    Clipped from iNave’s Blog

    —quote—

    One can read here, how Sony advertises what CPU a VAIO has:

    “…The vPro logo sticker on VAIO computers indicates that the computer meets the requirements for the following vPro features:

    Intel Active Management Technology (AMT)
    Intel Virtualization Technology (VT)
    Intel Trusted Execution Technology (TXT)…”

    —quote—

    I have no idea if my TZ or P originally had a “vPro” sticker anywhere on it or it’s box. I’ll be looking over the boxes and the models on display at the SonyStyle store in the mall near me.

  • http://profile.to/KEYofR Brian K. White

    *sigh* Well I DID eventually manage to get VT enabled on my TZ after all but the P is still a no-go. It’s true people have managed to get this done despite the bios but that is not any sort of validating fact. I mean, just look at what you have to do:

    If you have a Phoenix bios (example models: AR, C2, CR, SZ, FE, TZ, FZ, TX, UX):
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=189228

    If you have an AMI Optio EFI bios (example models: FW):
    http://levicki.net/articles/tips/2009/02/20/HOWTO_Enable_Intel_VT_on_Sony_VAIO_notebook_with_AMI_Aptio_EFI_BIOS.php

    If you have an InsydeH2O bios (example models: Z):
    http://feature-enable.blogspot.com/2009/07/enable-vt-on-insydeh2o-based-sony-vaio.html

    But note: Vaio P has InsydeH2O and the method that works for the Z does not work on the P. There is no solution for the P yet.
    None of these procedures are certain or safe.

  • Ameya

    insyde H2O on my recently purchased CS series viao laptop won’t load the efi via usb either// is there any way to load the efi file like writing it to cd/dvd something

  • David

    I’m pretty disturbed. I purchased a Vaio FE35GP a couple of years back and have installed Windows 7. I need to use virtualization for development purposes and now i realise I can’t!

    I like my Vaio but I won’t be buying another Vaio in the future with this very important feature coming disabled.

    Thanks for the ride Sony … while it lasted.

  • journalschism

    Guess “Michael” must work for Sony.

  • K

    This is the biggest among several reasons why I will never purchase nor recommend a Sony machine again. I say it really is time for a class action suit despite Sony’s claims that people aren’t complaining about no VT.

  • Michael

    Sony were never quoted to saying no-one was complaining about VT – can you please elaborate on this?

    Sony are aware that this is a big issue – but, again, the VAIO’s are all within spec. VT is not advertised on the models as being a feature in the first place.

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael: The problem is that the hardware does support VT and Sony deliberately disabled it. They took away a feature that would have been present if they did nothing. And because the feature is listed as a main feature in the processor and Sony deliberately turned it off, it is reasonable for the consumers to expect that they made this very clear in both advertising materials and spec sheets. They did not.

  • Josh

    I would be interested. I have a Vaio VGN-AW150Y and I use it for development. Very frustrating!! I have always used Dells but I thought I’d try something different. Big Mistake. Shame on you Sony!

  • Michael

    The processors in Vaios are OEM/tray product/manufacturing line.
    These are sent from Intel in a specific batch to Sony, and are placed in the machines. There is no warranty provided by Intel, and any hardware is configured by the OEM – this does not break any laws.
    I totally understand it wasnt clearly stated that the processor does not support VT, but, again, it was never advertised that the Vaios DO have VT.

    In your eyes (not mine) it seems to be ethically wrong to do so. Maybe it is, but its certainly not breaking any laws.

    When the processors are purchased OEM from Intel, Intel provide Sony with a contract that lets them modify the chips or the surrounding architecture whatever way they want.

    This of it this way… this is just an example.
    Two different brands of Laptop, lets say Dell and HP, may have the same graphics processor – an ATI HD3200. These GPUs are provided by AMD/ATI to the OEMs for the machines. If you look at the motherboard of these machines, more than likely, the physical layout and arrangement of the graphics cards may be different. OEM’s have the RIGHT to change features and physical configuration if the parts are origionally purchased OEM from the manufacturer. Legally, not breaking any rules.

    -Mick.

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    But if you place the processor name in the advertisements and documentations and one of the main features of the processor as listed by the original manufacturer is that it has VT, it is the responsibility of the vendor to notify the consumer that in spite of the hardware technically being able to do something, it has been disabled. Not doing so leads the consumer to believe the hardware performs to original spec and that’s where the problem lies.

  • Robert

    I bought a Sony Vaio and I ran into this problem.

    But I didn’t even know to look for “VT” technology or whatever that is. How was I supposed to know to look for that?

    I have been using VMWare guests for several years now across many dozens of machines, and VMWare has always just worked on every machine I have **EVER** used it on.

    It never occurred to me that there could be something so very wrong with a computer that it could run an OS and yet NOT be able to run VMWare.

    I just figured if the Vaio could run Vista, then surely it could run VMWare. I think that is a reasonable assumption based on my experiences that any judge or jury would agree with…especially in light of the fact that Sony took active steps to disable this feature without advertising that fact on the box.

    Words cannot express how angry and shocked I am right now. They have effectively bricked my laptop by taking away a key feature I needed.

    I have seen many references to BIOS patches to fix this, and I have tried the BIOS patches and they did NOT fix anything.

    I’ve found other articles that suggest that Sony (or Intel) have disabled the VT features at the CHIP level (on some models of Vaio) and that no BIOS setting can fix this.

    Lots of people from all over my company come to me for recommendations on computers, and so naturally I will be telling them to stay away from Sony at all costs. But even with my considerable sphere of influence, I doubt I will cost Sony more than 50 to 100 laptop sales, and that’s still not enough for them to notice or care.

    So I’m willing to join and even help finance a class action suit if someone with some legal knowledge can tell us how to get the ball rolling on something like this?

  • Robert

    Michael:

    You claim that Sony is not to blame because they never SAID they supported VT.

    If I sell a computer that has some of the lesser-used CPU instructions disabled, is that okay too? Do we expect consumers to check to make sure that every CPU instruction that comes standard on an Intel processor is supported by the computer they buy?

    VT mode is a feature that is enabled by default and it is a reasonable expectation that every computer carrying the newer 64-bit Intel CPU’s will have that feature.

    It is not a feature that consumers should have to look for specifically.

    Sony took extra steps to DISABLE that feature, and so the burden is on them to inform the consumer by stating that fact plainly and clearly on the box.

    They did not.

  • jazzIIIlove

    I am definitely in and I have VGN-FW4ZTJ.
    I am from Turkey and I am taking this to the courts of Turkey and let me say, here, even you can sue a website, e.g. youtube and it is banned permanently. It’s very likely that I win in the court and i start to prepare the documents and I am IT specialist and prove the state that the VT tech is crucial, Sony has no right to remove it and they say, it is a security issue and I can prove that this is not a security issue.

  • http://www.hotmail.com mauricio

    creo que esto cre esta mal xq todos necesitamos ino esjusto q gaste en una lap paraq nocirva denada sony deveria acer lascosas bien y ser cincero no vender porquerias creo asi yegaran muy lejos jajaja inutiles

  • D

    I am in on the suit!

  • http://www.actorsmind.com Andy Harmon

    Dear Morten,

    I’ve just discovered your site and this thread when trying to turn on Virtualization on a Sony VGN 140E. I will join in your lawsuit. The list of complaints I have against Sony, especially in the US and in relation to the near impossibility of downgrading Vista, is long, but you have articulated the situation beautifully in this particular instance. Sony’s behaviour is disgusting. Reading their customer service dialogues is like Hal (2001) meets the Stepford Wives.

    In my own case, most of my problems were solved by replacing the Hard Drive and installing Windows 7 RC. This took care of the Vista Nightmare side of the equation. Sadly I can’t escape the Bios issue and don’t have the technical expertise to try any of the patches that are out there. Thus I still can’t run many applications that I would like to.

    Good luck with this and keep me updated on your progress. At the very least we may be able to force Sony into publishing an acceptable fix. I’m also enjoying many of your blogs.

    Thanks for what you’re doing.

    Andy Harmon

  • Dnelly999

    I’m in. I have a VGN-FW290 and it is really disappointing that i can’t use VT. This will definitely make me not buy another Sony.

  • Simon

    I bought an Vaio SZ back in 2006 and have still not yet managed to enable VT on it. One reason for bythe Vaio with the Intel Core Duo on it was because it had VT on the chip. I use virtulisation quite alot.

  • elsimon

    Yeah, in the “Sony car” the reverse gear would be disabled because going backwards is dangerous and that it was not tested and is not fully supported anyways. Sony and their car drivers are proud that they never look backwards so this function is not needed at all.
    And to retain on the competitive edge, the 6th gear would also be disabled, because the gear manufacturer gives a special discount if Sony disables the 6th and keep it a secret.

    I do not see much difference in the real story. It’s just stupid.

    Screen rotation, like VT is also disabled in BIOS possibly in all VAIO models. This means that you cannot rotate orientation on external monitors either, no matter you bought an expensive monitor with this feature, say ’cause your job requires that. I had my hard time with Sony Support on this, no success. They said that if i’m not satisfied with the product, over the return period I can always sell my vaio. Nice.

    I agree with all of you who feel being ripped off by Sony. To me Sony Support is just the great wall to keep the customers outside the empire. Funny how they make it a success.

  • Sandy

    The Sony guy!!

  • Sandy

    I would love to see Sony go bankrupt over lawsuits

  • Sandy

    I would love to see Sony go bankrupt over lawsuits.
    Will never buy any sony product in my life!

  • Mr Wolf

    I’m Vaio Z11 user and I’m in, when r we going to do something? And what?

  • Michael

    I’m not biased – I just have a lot of experience in this field, and from what I can tell, no-one here will be able to get much from Sony in the wake of a lawsuit.

    I *dont* work for Sony.

    Believe it or not – I will be posting an update here soon – something regarding Sony actually releasing BIOS updates for Past, Present, and Future Vaios. I believe this will be a lot more interesting than any Class Action Lawsuit…. :)

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael: If you have info on future movement from Sony please tell me so can verify with my people. We are in the middle of prepping something major here so that kind of information is of utmost importance.

  • Michael

    As I said – Soon.

  • Aniket

    I am a Vaio SR user and used to love Sony, until I needed VT for Virtual XP mode during testing Win7 and found it disabled….well its sad…I’m in…

  • Dustin

    I’m an FZ owner and was happy with my Vaio until I tried to run a VM for work. I want to run x64 Win7, but need to run a VM so I can log on to my clients’ systems via Cisco VPN (Cisco says they have no plans to support a x64 client). I’m in and looking forward to Michael’s update.

  • http://forevervoyaging.blogspot.com/ Mike Drips

    I flashed my VGN-FW465 BIOS to support VT using the BIOS fix written by Igor Levicki. You can read all about it forum.notebookreview.com.

    It turns VT back on and does not turn your Sony into an expensive brick.

    Trust me, it was a pants wetting experience, but I soon saw on the screen that Igor is a masterful programmer and his patch friggin rocks!

  • http://none The boss man

    I believe Sony are doing nothing bout it.VT is today’s movement in advance technology. I used to own one of their products and they really don’t live to their expectations.
    Roll on the lawsuit. Where do I sign?

  • Abdul Kareem Jackolero

    This isn’t a class action law suit dumb ass! Sony is building crappy computers ever since the world began and you can no longer depend on SONY computers so why bother buying one ? I’d rather get a NEO computer.. Haha..

    This is Abdul Kareem Jackolero.. reporting SONY NEWS BEAREU CHIEF! United States of Alkhobar.. :)

  • Michael

    You believe wrong.

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael: Right now you are all talk and no action. My contacts with Sony tell me nothing is happening and nothing will happen. If you know otherwise you should stop hinting about it and actually spill the beans. Otherwise you just look like someone trying to protect them.

  • Yodaddy

    Count me in. They suck Chef’s salty chocolate balls like nobody’s business.

  • The Boss Man

    Michael: How can you tell me what I believe? Are you me? No I didn’t think so.
    I’m glad something is being done about this issue. Intel release excellent Hardware Virtualization technology and Sony wish to do nothing about it? This is the 21st Century. Times move on and so does technology! why hold back?

    If only Sony pulled their fingers from their back-sides…..

  • Michael

    Trust me Morten, you dont know what Sony is planning.

    I’m a few days late – unfortunatly it looks like you dont seem to care enough about this issue to check the site. As I posted earlier in this blog, I mentioned I am only familiar with EU models, and I dont usually deal with non-EU units.

    But maybe this will help:

    http://genesis.sony-europe.com/instranet/ccil_sony/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=36780

    So indeed, apart from the fact Sony Europe are not wrong in not advertising VT (or vPro) on thier models, they still would like to provide the excellent service as they always do.

    Discuss, thy naysayers.

    -Michael.

  • Abdul Kareem Jackolero

    Michael, Sony computers are always crappy and you cant easily buy parts from it unlike DELL.. :)

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael: First off, the statement on the Sony Europe and Sony Asia website is about as vague as it can get. It hints that there may be some updates for some computers sometime in the future but gives no specifics on which computers will get an update (old ones, new ones, just certain series) and also doesn’t give any specifics on what that update will consist of. Until I see an actual BIOS update available for free for everyone regardless of geographical location they haven’t really done anything.

    If Sony is in fact now releasing BIOS updates for all the VT capable PCs they’ve sold over the years they are all but admitting that they were wrong and giving in to the pressure from this website and others like it. I find it quite amusing that you are presenting this as if it is some sort of vindication of your ealier stance that complaining about this was pointless and that we are all idiots. If anything this new complete reversal of their earlier official stance shows that because so many people are getting involved in this and because a class action law suit would damage their reputation they are backing down.

    But like I said I won’t believe it till I see it. There’s a lot of money at stake here and Sony would only very begrudgedly allow their PCs to be modified in this way. The complete absence of any VT statement on the Sony US and Sony Canada sites also make me think they are trying to pull a fast one by allowing VT in Asia and Europe but not in North America. If that happens we have a real fight on our hands.

    So, in spite of what you seem to think this is actually a huge win for our side and proof that speaking up is not a stupid waste of time.

    And lastly, this is not excellent service from Sony. This is world class back peddaling.

  • Michael

    You dont seem to understand. While you might say that Sony are engaging in something wrong, please show me one picture of a Vaio sold that has the vPro sticker on it.
    Again – if it is not advertised as having a feature you require – it is not Sonys responsibility. It is up to you to ensure that you purchase a product that is adequate for your needs.

    I will post further updates on this issue quite soon. For the moment, let me state that work is already completed on developing the BIOS updates for some models – SR, AW and Z series (these are currently being deployed and tested) and development on other models is underway.

    Backpedalling? I would not say so. Believe me, if you think you influenced this decision for Sony, let me tell you, you are quite wrong. This is Sony giving the COLLECTIVE what they want – despite no wrongdoing from Sony (as they did not advertise VT or vPro).

    The reason (I would imagine) why Sony is releasing these updates, is because Windows 7 is being released soon. (Unofficially) Sony would like most Business (and some home) users to deploy windows 7 on thier VAIO’s – more than likely due to the fact that every company will admit that Vista was a POS. In order for Sony to push this, they would need to ensure that all possible functionality of Windows 7 is availible – hence some (mostly business) users will require XP Mode to run certain Software.

    I’m not posting my updates here in order to justify what I previously said. I’m posting them because you seem to think that you as an individual (and your ~20 class-action-lawsuit followers) can influence a company as huge as Sony – this is worldwide, not some small-time job.

    Tell me all, was no-VT actually an issue for you before you heard of Windows 7? For most of you, probably not. Most of you may have gotten all in a strop when you realised that your RC and RTM versions did not have full functionality due to no VT – remember, At the RC and RTM stage, the OS is not released yet – and NO company is under any obligation to support something that is pre-release.

    Sony are under no obligation to support Windows 7 on any unit preinstalled with Windows Vista – however they are going the extra mile to help in its deployment.

    Sorry for the lack of structure to my message – I’m quite tired tonight – cue some coffee! To all who think I’m deliberatly attempting to prove people wrong – I’m not. This is a discussion and at this stage, I quite enjoy checking this page every day. :)

  • Michael

    I dont believe that has any relevance to the current topic. To be honest, I think Dells are pretty dire too. I guess its all a matter of opinion, dont you agree?

  • http://www.designisphilosophy.com Morten Rand-Hendriksen

    Michael, there’s a catch: In the legal world there is something called presedence – if it is an established fact that in the past things have been done a certain way, then it is equally fair to assume that they are going to be done so in the future. Why does this matter? Well, it turns out that in the past (say 4-5 years ago), Sony and other laptop manufacturers were shipping VT capable laptops and computers without labeling them as such. How do I know? Because I have a couple in my house right now that, though insanely slowly, run VT just fine both under XP, Vista and Windows 7. None of these computers were ever advertised as having VT capabilities, neither in print nor on the box. But the processors (one of them a single core!) were listed by Intel as having VT capabilities.

    This establishes a clear prescedent that unless specified, the consumer can assume that ther is no feature in the computer supported by the hardware that has been disabled, even if that feature isn’t specified explicitly in the documentation.

    I’m still confused about your position. You seem to know an awful lot about what goes on behind closed doors at Sony yet you say you’re not affiliated with them. The type of stuff you leak is the type of stuff people normally get fired for. I’m genuinely curious to know what kind of role you play in all this.

    And seriously, if it hadn’t been for the ton of people calling Sony and Intel to complain, the thousands of articles written on the topic in major publications because of all those people complaining and efforts like the one I’m involved in to take the company to court to force them to do what they should have done a long time ago, none of this would be happening. Considering the hard line they’ve been running until now basically telling people to go buy a new computer because they are never going to support VT (I’ve been told so by many levels of Sony reps including one very high up the foodchain) it is blatantly obvious they are giving in to pressure.

    Consider this: If it is true like you said that they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and now offering this new feature up as an added service to all their beloved customers, why on earth were they screaming from the rooftops that they would never do so? Because they want bad publicity? Sorry dude, that’s not how the world works. If this was what Sony was planning to do, they would have said so a long time ago.

    Still appreciate your participation in the discussion though. Keeps things lively!

  • Michael

    In your first point – you state yourself “It is equally fair to assume”
    Unfortunatly, at least where I’m from, assumptions are not hard evidence in a court of law. If not even that, then they would not be viable as an argument against Sony to force them to provide any further features.

    My position is my own business. I dont have a blog to tell people about my life. While you may be genuinely interested in my professional experience, I do not release personal information via the interwebz. All I can confirm is that I do not work for Sony.

    I think this paragraph may answer your last two. I dont believe that Sony are necesarily releasing these updates just to please the people who argued about this in the past (again, this is related to the fact that vPro and VT is not explicitly advertised on those units, therefore are under no obligation to provide them) but I do believe that they are releasing the updates in order to encourage Business and home users into deploying windows 7 – and also to ensure satisfaction of future customers who purchase Windows 7. I believe It is a business plan in order to generate more profit from the sales of Win7 based machines with fully-fledged hardware virtualization technology.

    Something else to back up my claim would be the fact that Sony are certainly not planning to release BIOS updates to modify SATA IDE and AHCI modes – which is something that Vaio users have been griping about for just as long a time as the ones complaining about VT.

    Which brings me on to this point. Again, before I continue, I dont deal a lot with the USA support, but here goes. You quoted Sony USA as stating “Sony has no plans to make this function available in any of our computers”. I interpret that statement as exactly that – they did not have plans at the time. Of course all statements are subject to change – unless you can confirm with me that the TSA you spoke to directly stated “we will never ever provide VT”

    Despite you not knowing me, and despite the fact I would rather not provide personal information – trust me when I ask you to believe that Vaio EU document I linked to earlier – Sony will definitly be releasing VT BIOS updates within the next few weeks (for current model refreshments) and months (for legacy models)

    As you can see – I got my coffee hit! :D

  • Mariano Suscarros

    @Michael:

    With all due respect to your position (you seem to be a smart guy after all), suppose for a moment that Sony, whatever the reason for it, just decided to cancel out one of the processors (cores) in a 2-core system (say, a Core2 Duo). So when you buy a Vaio notebook only one of the two processors is enabled. The other one is there, as you very well know, just disabled. Suppose nowhere in the box or documentation does Sony say “this is a dual-processor notebook”, although it clearly advertises: “Processor: Intel Core2 duo X.XX GHz”.
    Now, if you buy this imaginary notebook, having read in the specs you’re getting a Core2 Duo, and after purchasing, you find out one of the cores has been disabled, is the argument of “nowhere in the box did it say that both cores were enabled” convincing enough to refrain you from claiming your money back?
    Let me tell you this would be a very bad reasoning, because from the moment they are saying “Intel Core2 Duo” you have all the right in the world to dig out the specs of this processor in its manufacturer documentation (Intel); and if this manufacturer says this processor is dual-core, then you are in your very right to take this assumption as an established fact.

    Now, read again, but suppose that instead of suppressing one of the cores, Sony has suppressed the VT feature. The argument of “nobody cares about VT” is an assumption too far fetched, for I don’t think Sony has conducted any long scale poll among their customers to be certain of this; it rather sounds like a last minute made-up excuse. For the sake of it, the majority of users might well don’t care if both cores are working or only one when they browse thru an Excel spreadsheet. So what?

    What Sony did in this world and the rest of the Solar System is called FRAUD. Period.

    Sign: Yet another conned VAIO customer

  • Abdul Kareem Jackolero

    Well guys I own a SONY VGNFW451J and the heck I just donated it to the charity because of its crappiness. Now I am using an Apple Itouch.. :) Better than a SONY computer.. Lol!

  • Michael

    Mr. Suscarros – I dont think I’m a smart guy, I just understand Sony’s position.

    Anyway,

    A fair point, you would imagine.
    Its possible that Sony could potentially disable a core in the system, but you would realise that this is preposterous. Why would Sony spend money on placing dual-core processors in VAIOs, and then disable one core? They may as well just put a Core Solo in there.

    I understand the point you are trying to make however, but do remember that modifying the BIOS [to disable a core] is entirely up to Sony. It is well within thier capabilities. I do agree that they would have to advertise this fact, I truly do. But again – remember – Sony did not explicitly list VT as being for your model.

    Look again at your VAIO. Do you see this on it: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/27/vprodesktop_highres.jpg

    If not, then the machine is entirely up to spec.

    Your statement is invalid, although quite relevant.

    I dont know where you found the quote “Nobody cares about VT” ; can you elaborate on this? (If I had said it, then let me explain.) Its true that VT is a less-publicised and less cared-about feature of Processors. While I agree it is expanding (only now) as a main feature, Sony do not consider it to be a selling point of a machine, therefore do not support it – as I said before, the VAIO’s are configured for the mass market – the mass market in which Intel VT does not have a strong foothold yet, and not something major enough to influence Sony to support it thoroughly on all machines.

    Saying that – Sony are rethinking thier ideals, and are creating BIOS’s for most machines – something they are not obligated to do at all, but will release them anyway (even though it is just the minority that are asking for it) This, I see, is adequate customer service.

    -Michael.

  • Michael

    Still waiting for you to say something relevant to the discussion.

    Haha! http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/30/apple-recruiting-sony-vaio-engineers-to-build-the-first-intel/

    It may not be a phone, but makes you think, eh?

  • Dave

    I’d love to weigh in on this discussion because I’m quite upset with Sony’s position. After reading your lively banter I’d like to state that I believe Sony is in the wrong and do have an obligation to their customers. And, Michael, I don’t think your argument about Sony advertising VT holds water.

    When you buy a vehicle, it is made up of parts manufactured by many different vendors, just like a computer. If you order your vehicle with a particular option, it must perform to the specs provided by the manufacturer of the part or by the vehicle manufacturer. If not, your vehicle’s warranty will ensure that the part is replaced. If the vehicle manufacturer makes modifications, it must disclose the actual (modified) specs to the consumer, especially in all of it’s ads. Ford can’t claim OEM specs and performance from a particular part it includes in its vehicles if it makes modifications that affect those specs. I purchased my VAIO laptop according to the specs that were provided by Intel. Sony has an ethical (I’d love to have the expertise to use the word “legal”) obligation to disclose actual (modified) specs due its own modifications. Likewise, as car dealerships are also required to disclose those specs, computer retailers have the same obligation to their customers.

    I am an IT student with a budget and I researched the hell out of intel processors until I found a laptop at a low price that included a cpu (core2duo T6670) that would allow me to run Hyper-V virtuals, not to mention XP mode with Windows 7 Pro. Now I’m stuck with a lame duck laptop and I’m not comforted with the prospect of waiting to see IF my VGN series pc will be one of the lucky ones to get the BIOS update.

    Let me finish by adding that I take partial responsibility in this fiasco because I should not have assumed Sony reliability and should have researched them thouroughly. I also should have read the PC nation return policy. Sony just happens to be one of the brands that customers cannot return for refunds. I can only return it for an exact exchange — Wow!!!!

  • Chris

    I have a Z Series, and noticed that my Vaio update icon was showing in the taskbar. The updates included a bios update, which on googling, is to add VT support.
    I now have a VT option under advanced in the bios settings of my laptop.

  • Michael

    Dave,
    I’m not arguing. I’m stating a fact.
    As you said yourself – Sony are under an ethical obligation to advertise VT being disable. Legally, they already have by not having a vPro sticker on any machine.
    And as for supplying VT for the mass-market – they have fulfilled that at this time.

  • Michael

    Enjoy it. :)

  • Michael

    Another update:

    VT has been confirmed for these models, as far as I am aware at this time… VGC-JS, VGC-LN, VGC-LV, VGC-RT, VGN-AW, VGN-CS, VGN-FW, VGN-NS, VGN-NW, VGN-P, VGN-SR, VGN-TT, VGN-Z. This will also correspond with the new naming scheme too, I’m sure.

    That pretty much covers most of the current line-up.

  • http://www.sony.com Sami

    I bought a VGN-FW351 and I never saw anything about not supporting VT and now it turns out that I can’t install windows 7 pro on my machine. It’s a shame that Sony sells laptops that are defficient and although I was happy with it until now, I’m going to sell it and buy something else…Shame on you Sony, I will not buy Sony again

  • Greg

    I have a VGN-FW (463J/B). I was pleased when I saw there was a BIOS update released on 10/19 that states that it enables VT for my model. I downloaded, it doesn’t work. It repeatedly says that “this update is not intended for this model” type message.

    Contacted Sony support. The usual checklist of “did you reboot, are you an admin, blah blah blah” rubbish. I tried everything they suggested. 4 different techs looked at the problem and in the end I’m told to actually phone support (I had been using the online chat facility). What the phone techs will be able to tell me to try I have no idea, but I’ll call them when I have another 3 hours to waste. Plain and simple there’s a bug in the installer that incorrectly determines that my model is not compatible.

    Quite annoyed at Sony because in general I’m pleased with all my Sony products I’ve owned, but this is the first Sony computer I’ve had. In general I like it, it’s quick but thats not really the point. I highly doubt I’ll buy (or recommend) another Sony computer.

    I bought a Core2 based machine because I wanted to use Sun’s VirtualBox program to virtualize several operating systems to do cross platform testing (I’m a web developer and dualbooting is not practical because I need my web server running too). Vbox works without VT, but with it evidently it would be a lot faster. Nothing at all to do with Win7′s XP mode, because just XP alone doesn’t really help my testing environment.

    Like I said, VirtualBox works on non-VT enabled stuff too, so if they really drag their feet on it much too long I’d recommend people try that out for their virtualization needs. Doesnt run 64-bit guests without VT though…

  • Michael

    Hi Greg,

    Thats quite strange. I’m not 100% familiar with the American models and the update types, but this update has worked on other peoples 463J/B’s no problem at all. Its definitly not a case of the update not being applicable for your model.
    Have you done any of these third-party BIOS hacks (or at least attempted them?)? Any attempted modification to the BIOS may compromise it to the state of not being able to apply these updates.
    Other than that, the only thing I can think of is third party software on your VAIO that may be causing an update. What other software do you have on your VAIO? What antivirus programs? Any apps like Daemon Tools or Alcohol120 installed?

    Let me know, I’ll have a look into it for you.

  • Michael

    You havent seen the recent BIOS update then, have you. I’m looking at it right now and its applicable for your model.

  • John

    Virtualization is not the only issue that Sony has punted on recently.

    I did an upgrade install of Win 7 last night (Win 7 release day – October 22nd) on my Sony AR notebook. Everything seemed to work ok until I discovered that sound was munged. System sounds work fine, but nothing from Itunes/DvD/streaming video works at all. Realtek, the sound chip manufacturer has published Win 7 drivers, but they don’t work either. When I went to Sony’s support site, there was a small link to a bland notice stating that Sony does not intend to support Win 7 on my notebook model (14 months old and running Vista, no less) and that Sony will not be furnishing updated drivers. Discussions with live support was the usual ‘Read the script over and over until they go away’ stall. I have not investigated what is going on with other Sony models, but would guess that it’s a similar story.

    I have been living with other annoying issues with this machine for the last 14 months. I had been ignoring them simply because I didn’t have the time to go through tech support hell. All of these problems seem to stem from the same arrogant Sony attitude.

    Lots of difficult to remove installed crapware was the start. Very rapid battery drain when turned off was a nasty surprise. Sony had no solution to the battery drain issue, simply claiming that ‘they all do that’ (i.e., every notebook battery drains to zero in 10 days). Posts on the web indicate that it’s due to a motherboard design mistake, but who really knows?).

    Sony’s auto web update service really never worked at all — manual updates weren’t much more satisfactory, and driver updates came slowly or not at all. Their support site is clunky and unhelpful. By comparison with Sony, Dell and HP are support geniuses.

    Sony is coasting on its previous reputation, pumping the product out and quickly abandoning it. I thought I was paying more for a better product and better support. How wrong I was. This is the absolute end for Sony for me.

    (Incidentally, if you’re from Sony and are reading this, my strong advice to you is to find a job elsewhere quickly. If this is the way Sony treats its customers, I can only imagine how they treat their employees).

  • Danny

    I’m from Canada and I have a VGN-Z555DN. You stated that virtualization can now be enabled on the Z but I don’t see any bios updates. Do you know if this model will be supported?

  • Greg

    Hi Michael,
    Thanks for following up. I have AVG antivirus installed (the freebie version 8.5) but none of the other things you mentioned. I tried uninstalling VirtualBox just in case that was blocking something bios related with some driver or service but that didn’t make any diff. I also reinstalled the Sony Shared Library which was one of the things the support people suggested to do. This morning I called the phone support line (because its my free weekend minutes for my cell phone) and they connected onto my computer and retried a bunch of thing I’d already tried before like Safe Mode and resetting the BIOS defaults and so on. In the end he suggested that I did a full backup and reformatted back to factory defaults to restore the apparently missing registry information that the update is not locating. A bit reluctant to do that because I’m not sure it’ll fix the issue (especially since I’ve not been reg hacking or used any regcleaner tools).

    Basically the only thing I’ve done to this machine is to disable UAC and install all my development tools. I had seen about the 3rd party hacks to get VT to work, but have not tried those since I assumed that with Win7′s release Sony would have an update out because of that.

    As far as other programs installed, yes I do have quite a lot installed, things like Visual Studio, SQL server, NetBeans and a things like that – mainly applications. No “system” tools or anything like that.

    Thanks.
    Greg

  • Kfir

    I have sony vaio VGN-FW290. sony hasn’t released a bios update for my model yet & when I check for win 7 drivers, there are only 4-5 drivers available. when I checked on the 22nd there was only 1 driver available so that’s a progress I guess…

  • Michael

    They will be release soon, I’m sure.

  • Michael

    No problem.

    Oddly enough, some applications seem to affect systems on a very low-level, even ones which do not seem to be system tools. For example, I have seen many issues with iTunes on Windows-based machines, which has a nasty habit of mucking around with the registry, and in rare cases, the Intel Matrix Storage manager (which is a RAID configuration utility). Even more confusing – I have seen Sage (which is an accounting and finance management application) do some very strange things to graphics drivers. Most notably, it mucks around with many OEM’s power management software used to control screen brightness!!

    I honestly cant say for sure whats causing the issue (I dont usually deal with USA Vaio’s) however I would go with the tech agents advice. You dont need to have registry hack programs or regclean programs to corrupt the registry. Like I said in this post, other perfectly legitimate applications (such as, but not limited to) iTunes can cause issues with the registry. I know its a huge hassle, but if the Tech agents say a reinstall will resolve the issue, I’d go with what they say. Theres benefits to this too, all the crap and viruses that may have build up on your machine will be deleted, and (although I dont agree with this) you have the added bonus of rubbing it in the tech agents face if the reinstall does not resolve the issue.

    -Michael.

  • obione

    HI,
    I was planning to replace my current Vaio with Z890. Now I am thinking of going with Toshiba, Lenovo, HP or Dell. Does anyone know if Sony will fix the problem with the Vaio z series marketed in the US soon? If so when?
    Thanks.

  • obione

    I see some are posting that Z series laptop bios upgrade is available. IS that for the US market? It is a bit confusing since I just called Sony pre-sale customer support in the US and the the person indicated that VT is not available for the Z series. He indicated he was not aware if and when the fix would be available.

  • Michael

    I dont think its been released yet for any of the Z890 machines. However, I dont think it will be too long to wait, maybe a month at the most.

  • http://www.wwnh.net JuJu

    I was just on this site where it says “which window 7 is right for you” then it lists the features of the versions..from prmium to profesional it lists “run many of windows xp productivity applications in windows xp mode” is this what you are talking about here..or in other words i cant do that with my sony viao VGN-FW480jt ?? sorry if not related..

  • Michael

    You can, but you need to download the BIOS update listed on this page:
    http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-list.pl?mdl=VGNFW480JT

    People here are talking about VT being disabled on the VAIO’s. More than likely because they wanted to run XP Mode on Windows 7, and then discovered they didnt have that option on thier VAIO.

  • Dave

    Michael, I still can’t bring myself to agree with your point of view. My professor owns a Toshiba with similar specs as my VAIO and his model bears no stickers relevant to VT. Needless to say, VT is enabled and he can run Hyper-V. I simply can’t agree with the notion that the lack of a sticker absolves Sony from any liability in this case. Anyhow, I’m please to say that my model, although being one of the lowest priced, did receive the bios update. I am now able to copy my virtuals onto a portable drive and work on them at home. Good luck to those still waiting…

  • Kfir

    You were right. (I’m so glad you were)
    They released a bios update for the VGN-FW290.

  • Abdul Kareem Jackolero

    SONY computer users are so fvcking gay and they always rely on technical support for assistance even for the lamest thing like turning on the num lock key. You gays should never buy any computer nor use it at all if you do not know how to use it motherfvckers!!!

  • Greg

    Wow! What a generalization, especially from someone who should be well aware of how incorrect generalizations usually are.

    As a matter of fact, this is the only time I’ve contacted support for something like this where I didn’t already know what the problem was and basically just needed them to send parts (since I’m an IT pro of about 14 years experience myself).

    Sony actually released another update on the 28th which ran fine on my machine. So much for missing registry info, and very glad I didn’t reformat in the end. There must have been a bug found in the installer after it was released. It happens to even the best programmers (ever hear of a Service Pack!?), except you of course Abdul.

    I would also have to ask this: what the heck are you looking on help forums for anyway??

  • Greg

    Thanks for all your help Michael, The update released on the 28th installed for me and VT is enabled properly now. I didn’t have time to do the imaging required to reformat, patch, and reimage in the end. And since it was never a make-or-break thing for me I was just going to wait until I had either the time or there was another update. The 28th update is still the 3110Y0 update too so it’s not a different version of the bios itself.

  • Richard

    I have a VGN-BZ560P22, It is my first laptop ever. I bought it for the xp downgrade feature. I used the microsoft 7 upgrade software and then did the comp chat with the technical support to find out how to turn on the feature in bios. They told me the same statement they always give me. Keep checking there web site for new drivers. I got on the web and found this site. If I new how bad there support was I would have found another brand. They have replaced the fan and the motherboard under warranty. I would need xp mode in 7 so there will be no upgrade. Even if sony does the right thing and makes a bios patch and the drivers I need I will not purchase another sony product. My sister has a Toshiba, Toshiba likes there customers. They made it very easy to put the software on her computer. It is a waste of time to contact sony support in most cases. I get much better info from the forums at Brighthand.

  • Michael

    Good to hear you got the issue resolved. I checked into this, but it doesnt seem that the update was re-loaded onto the Website – may have been some temporary issue with your machine?? Nevertheless, hope your enjoying VT on it.

    Mr. Jackolero here seems to just be one of those “internet forum trolls”. He has commented here a few times with nothing relevant to say. Curiously, he has a Sony Vaio, so he must be quite the hypocrite.

  • Michael

    I predict the update for your machine will be ETA November 20th.

    I dont think you’re making very valid points in regards Sony support being bad… explain.

  • Abdul Kareem Jackolero

    @Greg and Michael

    I ain’t an internet forum troll and yes you are absolutely fvcking right.. I got a PCVRS560G and I recently installed Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit on it and its fvcking running just fine without any problems. The bad thing is it does not have VT on it so I cant take advantage of the XP Mode.. =)

  • Will

    @ Michael; I have a vaio AR (EU model) do you know if Sony plans to relese a BIOS patch for it to enable VT; and while they are at it, it would also be nice if they released other drivers to support Windows 7.

  • Michael

    Will,

    What exact AR model is it?

  • Will

    its VGN-AR41S

  • Michael

    I imagine Sony would be releasing a BIOS update soon enough, probably before the year is out. Cant say that for sure though.
    As for Windows 7 drivers, not a hope. Sony will only support Windows 7 on certain machines, and the older AR’s (5 and below) I doubt would have any manufacturer support. These are only my opinions however – I cant say for sure.

    Anyway, windows 7 drivers would be relatively easy to source for that model. I think theres a Sigmatel audio board in that model though, and as far as I know, Sigmatel dont release drivers very often, so that would be the only difficult driver to source.

    Hope all this helps – post back if you need any further info.

  • Abdul Kareem Jackolero

    @Will

    Don’t expect that Sony will release any driver update for Windows 7. That computer is like a dinosaur already so just stick to whatever Windows OS it supports and never dream of installing Windows 7 on it. If you’d like Windows 7 then think about spending some moolas on a brand new computer or better get an Alienware coz its the best machine nowadays.. =)

  • Michael

    I highly disagree with that. The price:performance ratio on an alienware is ridiculous.
    On an m17x laptop – would you seriously pay over $1000 for just a QX9300 chip?
    Or over $800 for 8gigs of DDR3?
    You get the picture. The prices are unbelieveable, the battery life is poor at best, and the machines are frying pans in themselves. Oh, and the support is terrible – trust me on that one…

    However, its a matter of opinion. Thats just my two cents.

  • Oksana

    Michael, thank you for your enthusiasm. I have VGN-Z790D. Succesfully upgraded it to Windows 7 from Vista yesterday, then discovered that virtualization is turned off. Found BIOS update on esupport, http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-list.pl?mdl=VGNZ790D&SelectOS=47#div_pos_10 , but got a message during installation “This update is not intended for use with your model”, even though according to the docs, it should work. I really want to make this work, do you have any comments/suggestions for me?

  • Michael

    Yeah this update is certainly applicable for your model, so I’m not 100% sure why its not working. To be honest, I’m more familiar with EU models, however I do have a few ideas.

    Firstly, I’ve noticed that despite error messages, the update might have applied already – can you check your BIOS to confirm?

    Secondly, please post what version of Windows 7 you are using ( including the build number – to find this, type “ver” without the quotes into a command prompt.)

    Thirdly, please state if you have tried any BIOS modifications prior to this (This also includes if you have used the BIOS hack from 7loader – if so, shame on you)

    Please also post what exact Z790D model you have – post the first 8 digits of your serial number please – its not unique anyway.

    And finally – please post what 3rd party software you have installed – sometimes these can cause irritating issues like this.

    If anyone else wants to ask me questions similar to Mr/Mrs Oksana, please post the same info.

  • http://www.wwnh.net JuJu

    Micheal thanks for the info…i just got my windows 7 upgrade.will i need to update the bios before i do the clean install of the OS as on that sony drivers site under the windows 7 drivers it is not listed..is this because i dont need it with windows 7? thanks Jeff

  • Michael

    The BIOS update is not a prerequisite for any version of Windows. All this BIOS update will do is enable “Virtualization Technology”
    The main reason nowadays why people would want VT is to run most windows XP programs on Windows 7 without any compatability issues.
    Whether you have Windows XP, Vista or 7 installed on your VAIO, you can still run that BIOS update at any time. I hope this clears everything up for you, post back if you need more assistance.

  • Oksana

    Sorry for a delay in my answer. Long story short: I restored my VGN-Z790D to factory condition three times before I got it right. Combination that worked for me:
    1. Restore system to factory condition, OS Windows Vista Business 64 bit
    2. Install all recommended windows updates
    3. Run BIOS update http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=VGNZ790D&upd_id=5100&os_id=47 . It is next version from what I tried before.

    Previous BIOS update gave me an error that it is only applicable to Windows Vista when I tried to run it on Windows 7 Professional 64 bit.

    I haven’t upgraded to Win 7 current combination yet, for now I am just happy that BIOS update finally worked.

    Mrs. Oksana

  • http://Z890nolongerlistedattheSonysite obione

    Does anyone know why Z890 no longer show up at the Sony site. Instead Z720 (as a new model) is listed with Vista. Anyone with insider info?

  • Kim Spence-Jones

    I have yet another example of Sony’s arrogant disregard for customers and their published specs. I have a VGN-AR41S; this has a socket for S-Video input (no chance that this is an “assumed” feature, here, Michael) which has never had a driver which allows it to be used. The usual support hell conversations basically told me it wasn’t supposed to work.

    As a professional STB/Video developer, I bought the machine specifically for its advertised superior video options — I use S-Video connections to STBs to frame-grab images for documentation. And the S-video input is clearly mentioned in their user manual.

    I’ve had other annoying experiences too. When my GPU failed, I tried to get information on recovering data from the RAID0 hard drives, so I could safely send it for repair. It seems that this is not to be found anywhere on the net, and certainly not from Sony themselves. A good reason not to buy a RAID-formatted laptop!

    Another one — Sony claim my model cannot take more than 2Gbytes of RAM. This is one more misleading statement; it certainly works. It’s possible that it causes heat problems (the beast certainly runs warm), but I suspect it’s just “we haven’t bothered to test it”.

    What is totally bizarre about the Win 7 thing is that Sony is missing out on a revenue stream — if they did the work and included the drivers, I’d almost certainly have bought my Win 7 from them. As it is, my £145 will give someone else a profit.

    Like many other posters here, I am totally fed up with Sony’s attitude to customers. I would not recommend ANY of their products to anyone — this hits their TVs, cameras and other stuff too, as far as I’m concerned. In fact, I often strongly advise against Sony products. This vitualization fiasco is just one more nail in their coffin.

  • Michael

    I’ll do a reply to each paragraph.

    1st+2nd.. the S-Video works. Learn how to use it. It provides very low resolution anyway.

    3rd.. Within specifications. Thats not Sony’s fault. You basically complain about Sony’s support, yet this is an issue that happens with ALL manufacturers.

    4th.. Its a case of specification. These motherboards are designed by Foxconn for certain specs that are provided to Sony. They will limit the amount of RAM that can supposedly be put into a machine, to defer people from creating a liability. This AR does indeed run hot, and any higher capacity of RAM may compromise the thermal design of the unit. Something that Sony cant, wont and SHOULDNT support.

    5th.. Sony do not make much money from the whole Windows 7 upgrade. Most of the revenue would go to Microsoft. It would cost them a lot more money to beta test drivers than what they would make from windows 7. Anyway, its something they are not obliged to support! You have not given Sony enough time. the OS is only out for a month. Sony’s priority is NEW PRODUCTS, not to dedicate thier whole staff to writing and testing drivers for older machines that they are not obliged to support drivers for…

    6th.. Good for you, you go to another company. I’m sure no-one really cares to be honest. Anyway, you just wrote a whole post dedicated to things that dont relate to ANYTHING in the origional blog post…

    Apart from your last line… I’d respond to it, but I dont want to repeat myself.

  • Kim Spence-Jones

    @Micheal
    Thank you for your prompt reply, even if its tone is a bit condescending. Since you seem to carry a candle for Sony, and are clearly deeply knowledgeable about their product line, isn’t it time you came clean about how you come to be in such a privileged position?

    The thrust of my post was mainly to add evidence of Sony’s “f u” attitude to its customers, and perhaps provide more support for those inside Sony who are trying to bring about change. As such, I think it has at least some relevance to this thread.

    To respond to your specific rebuttals..

    1&2. whether or not the hardware &/or drivers actually work is slightly irrelevant — the point is, it didn’t work for _me_, despite attempts to get help from Sony support, reading all their documentation, and searching hard on the web. It seems I’m not the only one who suffers from this problem — see http://club.vaio.sony.co.uk/clubvaio/GB/en/forum/printthread;jsessionid=AE74CFB721FCFCF9EF43FBB52061EF38.barriss-offee?thread=43156&printall=yes for example.

    3. What does “within specs” mean? The beast works as advertised. It’s again a support issue — total lack of help for the standard case of needing to back up data before sending a lappy for repair. Not least an issue because Sony repair centre will (quite reasonably) not make any guarantees about preserving the data.

    4. This is sort-of a related problem to the virtualisation. When I bought the product, I was not made aware that the RAM was not upgradeable, and reading the specs for the Core 2 Duo would leave one to expect to be able to upgrade to 4Gbytes. Particularly an issue since Vista sucks so badly with just 2Gbytes; as a top-of-the-range machine, I think one would instinctively expect better from Sony.

    5. How do you know what the economics of shipping Win 7 upgrades would be for Sony, since you claim to have no relationship with them? And see the next paragraph for how much not supporting existing customers has cost them in my particular case — the profit on six new laptops.

    6. I think you are right — no-one does care, and that is exactly the sad thing. A company like Sony _should_ care about its reputation in the market. I am probably not typical, but here’s my history: I moved from Dell about a decade ago because of dreadful customer support, since when I have personally bought six Sony laptops. But in the last year my purchases have been six non-Sony machines (including a Dell, since their attitude to customers has markedly improved). Carry on not-caring, Sony! Believe that it’s cost-effective, for as long as you can.

  • MiniEggs

    @Michael

    Looks like a nice lively debate !

    I’m in the UK

    I’m looking at getting a Z51/55 and VT mode is importnant to me. If I order now is it likely to have the BIOS upgrade already?

    As you seem to have some good contacts do you know what the next stage is for the Z-series ? ie is it due for another upgrade/replacement in the next couple of months? ie worth waiting (1.5% off is still worth having at this price)

    I like the new X-series but just not enough oomph

    The SSD option on the Z series is mighty expensive … even on a premium notebook! Cant seem to find any specific reviews on the web of it? SSD’ds in general seem to get a mixed review. Fast but not good for small files/freezing/only 10,000 writes to any given block (doesn’t seem very much!)

    I’ll probably play safe and go with the 7200 HDD upgrade. worth £30 ?

    Finally W7 with XP downgrade CD. I assume this is so you can completely replace W7 with XP rather than for use with the VT options ?

    Thanks in advance

  • Will

    I have recently contacted vaio support regarding VT and why they have disabled it and not mentioned it in their specifications; after about 5 e-mails back and forward after which they got the message that I will not move on until I got an answer to my original question, they said that they cannot give me a “satisfactory answer” to that question – that’s a hell of a support service!

    In regards to the 4GB RAM upgrade; the AR41S works perfectly fine with 4gb of ram I upgraded couple of weeks ago using two modules of the Kingston KAC-MEMF/2G. (also see http://readmystuff.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/can-you-upgrade-a-sony-vaio-vgn-ar41s-to-have-4gb-ram/)

    @ Kim; you are absolutely correct the only reason Sony does not support 4GB of ram on the AR41S is because “this Vaio has been tested only with up to 2Gb memory installed” (quote from Vaio support e-mail).

    @ Michael; “This AR does indeed run hot, and any higher capacity of RAM may compromise the thermal design of the unit” that is absolute nonsense the AR51SU supports 4GB of ram and it has pretty much the same specs as the AR41S.

  • Michael

    I couldnt agree with you more about the following statement:
    “this Vaio has been tested only with up to 2Gb memory installed”

    That is true. That model has not been tested with more than 2GB of memory. The reason behind that is because it MAY compromise the thermal design and Sony probably believe that the unit would be suited best to run at a max of 2GB – hence why this is the specification they provide. There is quite a lot more difference than you think between the AR41 and AR51.At the end of the day, its the end users own risk as to what they modify in the machine.

    From your post, I can agree with you that Sony support didnt answer you satisfactorily. Would you care to forward me your conversation with them, so I may nitpick at it? Thanks.

  • Michael

    Check on http://www.vaio-link.com to see if the BIOS update is availible. If its not released yet, I’m unsure as to when it will be released, but no more than 2 months, I would imagine. The Z5xx series are a pretty recent refresh, I doubt there would be any refresh for the next while.

    Personally, I’d go for a Solid State drive.
    But theres no point asking me, its totally up to you as to what hardware you want in it.

    Yes, with the downgrade CD, you will be able to completely replace Windows 7 on the machine.

    Hope this info helps.

  • Jason

    ok…i have a sony vaio z590…sony doesnt support windows 7 64 bit for that model…but it does for the z690…ALSO since the z690 is business class there is a bios update that allows for virualization to be enabled…and i updated my z590 with that bios and bingo…windows xp mode works great…and all the drivers for 64 bit works great too. Bottomline…the fixes are out there…sony doesnt make it easy to do for the average joe…because the average joe floods their customer service lines who know even less about computers. Sony needs to just place the drivers and bios updates on support that says “use at your own risk”. The reason why they dont put out all the drivers/bios fixes to update machines is because they want you to buy new laptops…the Z series hasnt changed…from 590,690,790,890…all the hardware is the same. The fix is to update the bios to the 690..because it is the Business class Z model and the support is there. I think that sony is just playing big brother. Dumb average joe custmers get things via a dumbed down support..while the business class product that are sold to companies with internal IT support get everything unlocked…but the bottomline is..If you are a computer guru you will search for the hack or mods for anything…its all on the net. If you are a average joe..you will mess up your computer or bug your computer geek friends for help, or complain to the OEM to be force fed. Those people just need to buy a new laptop every year to keep up to date if they want to be customer service bottle fed.

  • Jason

    your comment is not true…you have to have the bios update to install windows 7 64 bit…there are 2 bios options to install windows 7 for the Z series laptop. one has virtualization, the other doesnt. If you do not install the bios update for windows 64 bit the graphics drivers and other 64 bit drivers will not work and some of your laptop function keys will not work but win7 will boot with generic drivers. if you unfortunately do not install the bios update then you will have install vista 32 or win 7 32 then install the update to the bios, then format reinstall win 7 64 and then all the drivers and software. I have gotten all my windows XP office and other32 bit programs to work perfectly on windows 7. Using xp mode I am also able to run ancient 16 bit programs with ease. It is strongly suggested to have a min of 4gb of ram, because running 16,32,64 bit programs will need it beause win 7 sets up x86 and 64 layers.

    So in bottomline…in the case of the sony Z vista peeps out there…YOU HAVE TO INSTALL THE BIOS UPDATE and pretend your Z is a Z690 ;)

  • Michael

    Your comment is in no way related to mine.
    You’re talking about 64-bit windows, which has very little to do with virtualization technology in this context. Your post is not relevant to mine, so please clarify why I’m apparently incorrect??
    Remember, I’m speaking about the VT BIOS update… thats the subject of my posting here.

  • andviv

    I bought today a VGN-NW230G and chose it specifically over the Toshiba because of the ability to run the virtual thingy…

    Thanks all that are trying to provide help in regards to this situation.

    Has any of you seen a BIOS update for the VGN-NW230 model? I did not see it on their site. If not, any idea of when is it expected to be available?

    I am seriously wondering if I should just take it back to the store and get that Toshiba with similar features…

    Thanks again.

  • andviv

    OK, nevermind… it worked fine after playing with it for a little bit. Me happy :D

  • Matt B

    I have a VPCCW17FX. It has no option in the BIOS to enable VT.

    Anyone have any idea why the BIOS update might not yet be available for my model?

  • Michael

    Thats a very recent model, and the first version of the CW series.
    It would be hard to tell when the BIOS update would be released, but I imagine it would be sometime in Q1 2010.

  • David

    Very interesting reading. I stumbled upon this thanks to Google. Awhile back, tired of problems with Dell laptops, I researched and settled on Sony VAIO as a decent notebook, the NR-160. None of us knew anything about Windows 7 at the time, of course, and the PCs shipped with Vista. The PCs performed well and we were pleased. Until Windows 7 came out.

    Sony’s website clearly indicated they will not support or provide drivers for those of us wishing to upgrade our NR-160s to Windows 7. I was advised on the phone to buy a new one. Same thing HP told me about my inkjet printer I bought last year, BTW. For comparison, we have a much, much older Dell PowerEdge 1850 server and guess what? Yup. Dell had Windows Server 2008 R2 drivers for it (which is the same as Windows 7 drivers).

    I went ahead and installed Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit on both NR-160s anyway. They had 4GB of RAM and they love Windows 7. Sure, I had to hunt down a driver for the memory card reader because Sony didn’t supply any, but I found a generic one that worked.

    Already annoyed with Sony’s attitude about drivers and buying a new one, I then discover that my NR-160s can’t run VT. We’d used Virtual PC 2007 quite extensively in our business, and Virtual PC 2007 will not run on Windows 7 because you’re supposed to use Windows 7′s virtual PC which requires VT. Upon Googling I learn that this is by DESIGN? Sony intentionally disabled it?

    It’s days like this that I yearn for the early years when most manufacturers left the BIOS with all the options and you could go in and tinker to your heart’s content. Now, they tend to hide everything. [sigh] And some don’t release any details about their innards. I was flying blind when I had to crack open the case on one and replace the dead hard drive.

    If I read right, Sony may be working on addressing this issue with BIOS updates through Q1 2010? I will sit tight and wait then before using one of the BIOS hacks to force the VT to work. I can’t wait forever, though. Whether we replace these NR-160s with another Sony when their lifetime has expired depends upon what happens now. If a BIOS update enables VT, I’ll have faith. If I have to resort to the BIOS hack, then it will not be a Sony.

    Thanks,
    David

  • Michael

    Hi David,

    Do you know that most Windows Vista drivers will work on your model with Windows 7 installed? The operating systems are quite similar, hence most drivers are compatible between the two.

    Secondly, can you tell me what the exact model number is of your NR?
    For VT to actually work, it takes a lot more than a BIOS that supports it. You NEED to have a processor that supports it in the first place.
    For example, the NR160E/T has a T5250 processor. Its confirmed on the Intel website that the T5250 does not support VT at all.
    You cant expect Sony to enable VT on your model if it truly isnt capable of doing so…
    Anyway, post the exact model of your machine, and I can check if it actually supports VT at a hardware level.

    In regards your issue replacing the hard drive – service manuals are availible upon request from Sony.

    I understand what you mean about all availible options should be enabled in BIOS. I remember when I first started building machines based on high-end motherboards, and was drooling at the slew of options availible on mobos with the 780i chipset. OS comp? N/2? Voltage mods? Memory timings? Execute Disable Bit? Disabling cores, onboard audio, C1 sleep states, fan control etc etc……. its amazing to be able to customize your PC to whatever you want, I totally agree with you…
    but think about it this way – if an average joe decides to “experiment” they can not only end up bricking thier computer, they may cause damage to property or even themselves! Thus entails an increase of calls to Sonys support by thousandfold, and possibly lawsuits etc… Its not worth it. And even you, David, should understand Sonys point of view on this – its the same with any manufacturer.

    If you really want a machine you can do anything with – build one yourself. :)

    -Michael.

  • David

    Michael,

    Thanks for the response. You’re absolutely right, the CPU doesn’t even support VT so there’s no point. They are NR-160E’s and I thought they had a higher model number CPU in it, but it is indeed the 5250. No VT from Intel and there’s nothing Sony can possibly do for that situation. I managed to get the virtual machines we were using running under Sun’s VirtualBox so we’re going to be okay. I’ll toss the blame back in Microsoft’s court for forcing hardware support only upon us. They really should have a software based option available as well for those who do not have the hardware support. Then only the hardcore techies would worry that their CPU supports it but Sony disabled it. Everybody else would just use the software based like before and not know the difference.

    I’m aware of the Vista drivers working under Windows 7, had to go that route for a couple Dell computers that were also not being supported by Dell for Windows 7. In my case, I went to 64-bit, and I could not find 64-bit Vista drivers from Sony. I didn’t mind too much because I already knew most of the hardware was common enough to have drivers available. The memory card reader caught me by surprise. I had forgotten the PCs had that feature because we so rarely use it.

    Lastly, yes, you are 100% correct about why the manufacturers try and keep everything in the BIOS and other parts of the PCs so darn simple. Protecting people from themselves. I have even seen the ones where just cracking the case open voids the warranty. I can’t remember the manufacturer on that one at the moment.

    I haven’t built myself a PC in a long while, mostly because of time restraints. But I certainly fondly remember the days when I did. Sadly I’m mostly tied to laptops now with my travel schedule. Maybe I’ll try building my own one day.

    Anyhow, thanks again for the assistance Michael, and sorry it was all for nothing in the end. I am glad to see Sony is slowly releasing BIOS updates for some folks, and I’ll keep Sony on my short list of favorite vendors.
    -David

  • Sam

    I talked to one of the sony Rep and they claim the Bios update will be release in less than 14 days… just keep checking the site udpate…

    I hope he is telling the true though.

  • Michael

    No problem David,

    I find it so peculiar that Micro$oft decided to limit XP mode to hardware-based-VT anyway… At the end of the day, I’ve been running virtual machines on MS Virtual PC 2007 on a lot of machines that dont support VT at a hardware level, so I don understand why Micro$oft crippled the support for so-called “XP Mode” in Win7…

    I’ve seen quite a lot of manufacturers claim Void on the warranties if the units are disassembled or opened – which I think is disgraceful. I think that there should be a certain amount of leeway given to consumers in regards slight modification and disassembly – then again, that brings me back to the whole “dumb it down” thing… a vicious circle, I believe.

    You should definitly check out http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/diy_notebooks/ and see the range there. To be honest, I’m not sure what kind of BIOS options are availible, but you might be interested in this!

    Good luck David!

    -Michael.

  • Michael

    Usually Sony’s timescales are reliable enough.

  • Michael

    What exactly should be publicised??

    That Sony listens to thier customers and provides what they want?? As opposed to cheaper laptop manufacturers?

  • Dylan

    how about letting the consumers know that the notebook they’re buying doesn’t support Intel VT instead of surprising it’s customers that they disabled a STANDARD FEATURE INTENTIONALLY and there’s no way of enabling it.

    I don’t agree that this will rake up the cost since other manufacturers are able to sell notebooks with VT enabled at a lower price compared to a VT disabled VAIO with slightly lower specs.

    I’ve got a vaio cr23g and am very disappointed with the kind of after sales support provided by Sony.

    1. can’t do a clean install without losing all the software that came with the OS image and the functionality of the special buttons. the software that came with the image are not available for download.

    3. sony has the dumbest support rep i’ve talked to when they refused to send me a dvd installer of the OS for a clean install and argues that there’s already an image included on the hard drive(which isn’t exactly a clean install with all the trialware) and advices me to just by a copy of Vista just for the DVD.

    2. lack of windows 7 driver support. I have a compaq dc7800 desktop and an IBM W500 notebook at work and it supports drivers for 3 windows OS including 64 bit drivers so why can’t Sony support at least the next OS release? the driver support for this model is only for 32-bit vista. XP drivers for this model don’t count, see 1.

    Unless Sony revamps it after sales support, this will be the last Vaio I’ll get and I’ll make sure that my colleagues and friends knows all about this as well.

  • PSFTGURU

    For what it’s worth. I just wanted to share with you the fact that VMWARE Player 3.0 (no I am not an employee), is free and comes with Windows XP SrvcPK3 (virtual XP) embedded. Nothing beyond a simple install is required and the virtual xp machine is ready to run out of the box. I am not sure what exactly I am losing by not having the MicroSoft Windows Virtual PC hardware enabled with Virtual XP. I was hoping that it might be a more tightly coupled sharing of disks, etc. across the machine backbone, which I hoped would enable me to run my xp based DiskKeeper 2007 Professional against the Host Local C:\ drive, so I could resize $MFT. I have done so on my external drives. It seems that this valuable feature (FRAGSHIELD) is no longer available in the less expensive versions of DiskKeeper. As for Win7 hardware drivers, they are now available for Canon printers (I have a PIXMA MP600), but not yet for my DYNEX (Best Buy) Express Card eSata adapter. I would like to know what I am missing (in the way of functionality), by not having the VT feature enabled in my VPCCW17FX notebook.
    Warmest Regards
    PSFTGURU.

  • Dylan

    @PSFTGURU

    One common VT feature is it enables 64-bit virtual machines to run on a 32-bit host. It also improves VM performance since it allows the guest OS direct hardware access.

    On a more experimental side, you also won’t be able to run VMware ESXi and Hyper-V without VT. (I wanted to have windows 2008 R2 as my desktop OS for Hyper-V)

    I’m thinking that XP mode uses the same technology as Hyper-V.

  • Richard X

    I have vaio vgn-fw290e and I was never happy with sony E-supp. I did some resirch and found all the bad news about bios and VT. Today I checked Sony E-supp. site and there was BIOS update dated 10/28/2009. After update option is there. ENABLE/DISABLE VT. It was under vista drivers not windows 7. It instaled under windows 7 without a problem under 1min. With any other update it would always say something crazy like this update is for vista and will not install. I was runing vista at the time. What is strange is that sony e-supp. does not list vgn-fw290e, there is vgn-fw290,290j,290jrb. This second part does not relate to the original post but I did read all the replies and we can all agree on one thing[SONY SUPPORT IS BAD].. THANK YOU for initial post and calling them you made some very good points when talking to this Tech. I think they were good enough to make them think…………….

  • Paolo

    Dear Sony…

    After 6 years of Vaio, I’m going to left your brand because you are not hopeful to professional workers.

    With your products we spend to much time to adjust issue or upgrade that other brands make very easy.

    I’m really sorry that in my future there’ll be not more Vaio, but as your philosophy, me first

    Suck

  • Paolo
  • CW

    Hi,
    I’m really glad I stumbles upon this site. I might sound like fresh to the tech side, but pls bear with me.
    I’ve had almost made up my mind to get myself a CW16FA. But I require to use a lot if Vms and I’m not sure it’s enabled on it. The processor does support VT. But it’s loaded with Home Premium. I’m not that bend on using XP mode as such, I just want Vmware to run properly.
    Does the bios need to be VT enabled to get VMWare to run on CW? any help would be greatly appreciated. I donot want to regret after putting in my cash. Else I might consider an SR. Thanks.

  • Michael

    Double check the model number, the one you gave is incorrect.

  • Christian

    I have Vaio VGN-Z820G windows 7 pro centrino duo core 2. I purchased this model because it would allow VT mode for all my old XP software. I downloded the Windows XP VP software without a hitch. Everything has worked just fine until this week. Does any body know if Sony changed something with their updates?

  • Michael

    Explain, what exactly is wrong?

  • http://www.bartwillemsen.tk Nardon

    Hey,

    I am counting in.

    I bought this PC for my school and we work a lot with Virtual environments like VWware and Virtual PC.

    Now with the laptop itself is nothing wrong and when not using any virtual applications it performs wonderfull but I did check the speccs before I bought it and I was sure it supported HV!

    I felt a bit screwed when I saw it was disabled. :/

  • Michael

    What model is it?

  • Torsten

    @ David: you wrote:
    For comparison, we have a much, much older Dell PowerEdge 1850 server and guess what? Yup. Dell had Windows Server 2008 R2 drivers for it (which is the same as Windows 7 drivers).

    Can you please send a link to the Win7 Dell drivers or discribe which one i have to use. I have a PERC 4/SC in my Poweredge 1850 and would like to install Win Server 2008 R2 for some Tests.

  • Irvin

    This is the last time a buy a damn SONY VAIO….Dont waste your money making rich those assholes.

  • RichF

    I am in i anyone can get a class action suit is possible. I bought two VGN-SZ-750N/C computers because the processor was powerful enough to do this and these babies even support TPM. So why not virtualization like some of the cheaper models have? This makes me crazy. I have written Sony and I think the only way they will getoff their asses is if everyone with this stupid issue writes them too. I have read a few posts showing how to take a big chance and hack the BIOS, but I am afraid to wreck two computers just because Sony is dumb and lazy. Write them, complain and do it over and over again.

  • RichF

    We have five Sony Vaio notebooks at home and two of them are expensive SZ eries models. These are the last Sony Vaio notebooks we will buy. I feel like I have been bait and switched. I install network systems and up until now I have reccommended several notebook brands as clients. I have installed a lot of Vaios in the past. I have now stopped reccomending Sony Vaio notebooks. Last week I installed a nice SMB network and it is equipped with HP notebooks that run virtualization beautifully. To hell with Sony. If they don’t care about customers, why be Sony customers.

  • Michael

    Hmmm…. People tend to complain so much, yet dont research the fact that BIOS updates may be availible… or even reply when I try to help them. Oh well.

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  • scottyrc20

    fuck this idiots from sony, we dont need a VT!

    with this official patch from microsotft theres no new bios needed!

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=de&FamilyID=837f12aa-1d37-464e-ae59-20c9ecbebaf6

    have fun!

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    we dont need a new bios from sony, it works, also without vt!

    have fun

  • Natasha26

    Sony has put forward such a stupid reason for not enabling VT-x. Lower cost? The CPU supports it and as many informed readers have noticed, the enabling of VT-x is to do with a register in the BIOS. My current Vaio will be my last one. I was a child to go for looks.

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    Morten,

    Thank you for digging into this with Sony and saving me the trouble.

    I just tried to install a 64-bit linux guest under VMWare on my I7-equipped Sony notebook. VMWare politely informed me that VT is turned off, so I can’t do this. Interestingly, I have no problems whatever with using XP mode with various old programs I use and I have several VMWare guests running successfully. It seems that only the 64-bit linux guest is prevented.

    I’m a little confused about how many virtualization features can work at all without VT turned on – and a little too busy to fight it.

  • http://n/a Steve

    May – 2011. I just bought a Sony Vaio, and also was infuriated to discover this whole “bios disabled” crap. I specifically bought a particular model BECAUSE it had Win 7 Professional, in order to take advantage of the Virtual XP mode (I have several XP programs I LOVE, that won’t work on 7). I wonder if I can take it back to Micro Center…

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    May – 2011. I just bought a Sony Vaio, and also was infuriated to discover this whole bios disabled crap. I specifically bought a particular model BECAUSE it had Win 7 Professional, in order to take advantage of the Virtual XP mode (I have several XP programs I LOVE, that won’t work on 7). I wonder if I can take it back to Micro Center.

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  • Mobin Mathew, India

    I use a Sony VPCCB 15FG computer. And after reading the Vaio manual provided with the product,I turned on the Intel(R) VT in the Bios setup. I barely found any change.
    Does that really work?
    Would you please mind explaining any instance that made you feel it’s really appreciable to turn it on?